Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Objective morality is the task of making moral judgements on the basis of a standard we can agree on with others.

@ Cofty

I have already commented on the presupposition of convention in responding to TonusOh. One country says driving on the right side of the road is correct. Another country does just the opposite and states it is correct. So, convention cannot expalin objective atheist morality if it is just agreed upon rules.

We know the basic needs of other humans since we all share the same physiology.

But we don't all share the same physiology, so it is impossible for you to know anything based upon that explanation. My brain chemistry is different than your brain chemistry. Furthermore, in your world view why would I care about the basic human needs of others if we are simply chemical reactions?

Would you try to save the baking soda if you saw that it was periously close to coming into contact with vinegar? Would you feel bad and have regret if you did not? Of course not, I'm sure you would agree that is absurd.

Any other possible explanations for atheist objective morality?

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Cofty,

You seem reluctant to engage. I answered your question. Now answer mine. Do you have anything other than what you have already presented as a possible atheist-friendly explanation regarding the origin of atheist objective morality?

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Objective morality: Rules and expectations that would be the same for you and me, even though we may have different opinions, positions in life, influence etc.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Why don't you define objective morality? You've already said that the term: "morals" is simply descriptive in nature. So, in your view does objective morality (as opposed to subjective morality) exist?

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Morals are simply the name we give to the way we choose to act towards other conscious creatures.

Got it.

So, allow me to clarify a bit. Are you saying that in your view all of our moral choices are equal? Or, is there such a thing as objective morality?

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Cofty, nice red herring. This thread is about moral responsibility. I look forward to addressing any of your assumptions on topic related threads.

Now, like I asked you before - do you have any other sources for your morality other than what you have already presented that you'd like to discuss? Or, is that about it?

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Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

by charity7 in

hey guys!

i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

Sea Breeze

Welcome to the board Charity.

Here area some early references to the cross:

Alexamenos graffito

Pompeii, Roman and Herculaneum

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

We all know you have compassion Nicolaou. This is not the question. The question is how did you get it?

Animals don't care if another animal runs off a cliff. In your world view, that's a good thing, right? We're just animals right?

If one animal runs off a cliff, doesn't that allow more food for those that don't? Doesn't that increase the gene pool of those that don't run off cliffs?

The simple fact is that you know that child headed for the train has intrinsic value because he is made in the image of God and is your neighbor. You know that you are obligated to save that child because God is a savior God. You know the Christian God in your heart of hearts.

You can deny God because God gave you the ability to do so. But you cannot escape the reason, compassion and love of God no matter how much you hate him, because his attributes are part of you.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

If my actions cause harm to other people, creatures or the planet they are 'wrong'. If they benefit others they are 'good'.
See how easy that is?

Nicolau

Your answer presupposses that you know what "harmful" or "good" to others is. Why would a chemical accident assume to know this for himself, much less others?

I asked how you know if a moral rule is doing either harm or good? This the formost issue some nations are facing right now.

God says it is the parents responsibility to read God's word to their children daily.

Men with deviant sexual preferences want to educate our children to 'free" them.

Can't you see the inherent arbitrairiness in the atheist worldview? It makes no sense. ANY morality not rooted in the character of God is inconsistent, arbritray and ultimately meaningless.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

Sea Breeze

Nicolaou,

I didn't dismiss your response. But you never responded when I challenged your assumption:

how do you determine "good" in a chance universe?

What if one person says they benefit from eliminating Jews, and another person says they benefit by changing the definition of marriage, and yet another says they benefit by educating our youth on transgenderism?

What say you?

In other words, what is objectively wrong with this picture? Isn't he just another chemical mistake like you claim that you are?

Sea Breeze

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